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  Upset and Concerned!

  by The Bethelite in

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  i'm very worried.

  i just took out two slices of dave's killer bread out of the bag this morning, to make some toast.

  i bought the bread almost 2 weeks ago.

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  silas hobbs

  Don't worry be happy!

  Maybe whatever is in it will have the same effect on you.
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  Memories - ExJW Book on Quillette

  by cofty in

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  really good read on quillette today is an extract of a new book by third generation jw amber scorah 'memories of life at the kingdom hall - an alberta schoolgirl waits for armageddon'.. quillette... .

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  silas hobbs

  That is a great article by Amber Scorah.

  I read some of the comments and most were really good. One of them dealt with the way Mormons were similar to JW's in many controlling tactics that they use. I would just like to comment about the differences between JW life and Mormon life. On one hand Jw.s are allowed a very short leash to operate in , even less so now that higher education is demonized. Young Jw's who have a God given talent, either in the intellectual field or in another talent have to stifle it and carry on with mind numbing work of "field ministry".Imagine having all that youthful ambition to follow your passion only to have it quashed and villified by the JW heirachy.

  Mormons on the other hand have a much larger field to operate in before they meet up with any religious boundaries. Their Church encourages higher education even having their own university,where Doctors,Lawyers and Schloars are turned out. Another difference is their treatment of youth. In JW land youth is a barren wasteland of control but the LDS higher ups know that youth is the future of their Religion,they have organized groups from their own boy scout troops to organized sports at their Churches . Their children are nutured and valued for the most part where as JW children have the moniker of "We love you When......" This was a title of a KM 20 years ago which started a process of waking me up. Youth,,We Love You When you do certain things . The message was unstated but clear that if you failed to do the stated things you would not merit such love

  Just noting some difference that show how bad life in the JW world is.

  Jeff
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  Convention 2019: Children told don't form emotional attachment to pets!

  by Nathan R. Koppe in

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  2. beliefs

  i have just heard from a visitor to the jehovah's witnesses convention for 2019, that they have been told; 'not to form an emotional attachment to their pets, as animals don't have feelings anyway'.. well, that should break a few children hearts!👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 🥴 😭 💔.

  my orignal topics are at.

  further info:.

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  silas hobbs

  Isn't that one of the identifiers of a disfuctional personality, treating animals badly. Psychopathic or Sociopathic

  behaviors are preceded by thoughts or feelings that animals are not worthy of compassion or love.

  What a bunch of douche bags. Karma is coming for these guys and not soon enough
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  Check out this shameless image on jw.org.

  by nicolaou in

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  another generation of children being fed the same lie we, our parents and grandparents were told.

  this is the link, it's image number 8. https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/united-states/2019-love-never-fails-international-convention-series-overview/.

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  It's like something out of an early Jim Jones meeting.
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  I'm just so sad and now I'm mad

  by KimD in

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  i'm just so sad and i'm so angry at myself for believing and living a lie.

  i hurt so many people in my family by becoming a jw....why didn't i listen to my sweet grandfather when he cried and begged me not to become a jw...i truly thought it was the truth...my grandfather cried...he was so hurt....my bible study teacher told me that satan would test me and my grandfather's pleas were my first test...he's gone now...years before i left the religion....i so wish that i could tell him that i am sorry and how very much i loved him...

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  silas hobbs

  Kim

  So glad you found this site to express yourself, your feelings, your journey. It is therapeutic.

  As far as kicking yourself for believing please don't do that for your own good. I along with many here did the same thing. I remember the feelings that I had thinking I was finding the "Truth" how exciting it was to be told what was 'true,' seemingly from the bible. I also remember suppressing critical thinking when my study conductor brought up things that did not seem rational such as the 1914 date and its significance but these nagging doubts were overshadowed by my naive desire to believe and to find a spiritual path. I also remember later reading in the publication used for the TMS at that time that the bible was not for the 'other sheep' but was a directly written for the so called anointed ones, it felt like a blow to my heart.

  Also we did not have anything like fact checking to see if what we were learning was true,,,today its called the internet. What a body blow it is delivering to the JW organization,,,,why a member of the governing body cant even go to the liquor store and get 12 bottles of high dollar scotch without someone posting it online.right after one of his fellow GB gives a talk on giving more to the org

  Anyway hang in there and be happy

  Si
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  Last act as an elder

  by silas hobbs in

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  i was just reminiscing about the last thing i did as an elder.

  after a painful awakening due to family matters,,deleted as an elder due to what i now have come to realize is normal children trying to be more than just zombie tag alongs who don't make problems for their parents and want to explore their talents and intellect.

  mistakes and difficulties arise in families but real families do not resort to draconian measures when hormonally influenced children want to take a different path.

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  silas hobbs

  I appreciate all your comments. My 3 daughters have all taken different paths ,,my oldest daughter who was called out and DF'ed for , and i quote' being debauched' is now working on her Masters degree in Nursing after getting her BSN. She left the org having had her eyes opened. after her now jw ex was convicted of molesting her oldest daughter. She ,our granddaughter went through some horrible troubles,attempted suicide,but has now received some psychological help and is doing well . Now in her 2nd year in college.

  MIddle daughter still in but I think she is part PIMO. We have a sort of truce ,we don't talk about JW stuff and they do not shun us.

  3rd daughter never was baptized and is doing well. Married and the mother of 3.

  I continue to look forward to JW Org. getting all that it deserves. and thank God for sites like this where countless stories can be told of the heartless,unchristian conduct by its henchmen can be exposed.
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  Last act as an elder

  by silas hobbs in

  1. jw
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  i was just reminiscing about the last thing i did as an elder.

  after a painful awakening due to family matters,,deleted as an elder due to what i now have come to realize is normal children trying to be more than just zombie tag alongs who don't make problems for their parents and want to explore their talents and intellect.

  mistakes and difficulties arise in families but real families do not resort to draconian measures when hormonally influenced children want to take a different path.

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  silas hobbs

  I was just reminiscing about the last thing I did as an elder. After a painful awakening due to family matters,,deleted as an elder due to what i now have come to realize is normal children trying to be more than just zombie tag alongs who don't make problems for their parents and want to explore their talents and intellect. Mistakes and difficulties arise in families but real families do not resort to draconian measures when hormonally influenced children want to take a different path. Anyway I was deleted as an elder. It was painful as there was much envy and animosity that was under the surface by others on the body since I had so called privileges in the Org. Const work Worldwide, local RBC work etc. I really enjoyed these services but others were harboring resentment and when the opportunity arose they pounced.

  It was difficult.I wondered why people who were part of the ;most loving people on earth' would act this way. I will not go into the details of the difficulties but after a few years I was reappointed as an elder but the damage had been done to my psyche as far as my attitude to the Org was concerned.I continued to serve but doubts continued to grow and finally I went to the public library and started to do research on the history of JW's . The book was Raymond Franz's In Search of Christian Freedom. The blinders were off and i continued to research and became a lurker on these sites I knew there would be a day of reckoning if I did not move so my wife and i put our our home in seattle for sale and was planning a move to the outlying area,,it sold and we were moving in a month. I was assigned to be on a judicial committee. It dealt with a new sister who had fallen in love with a member of a trade group having a convention in the city.

  The other 2 elders wanted to DF as I could read the tea leaves so to speak as this sister was saying she could not tell what she would do if this man approached her again since she still felt this was 'love'.

  In front of the other 2 elders i explained that the answers she was giving to the questions she was being asked about were giving these elders ammunition to DF her , I explained what she needed to say from the elders manual about what repentance was according to JW's. Ithen told these 2 elders we should let her thank about matters. The meeting was then adjourned.

  I later found out that the Bro. whose wife had studied with her was my replacement and she was not Df'ed

  That was my last act to prevent this good person from becoming a victim of JW treachery

  My wife and I moved to another cong. {Des Moines} and I declined to serve again thinking to just lay low for awhile,but the matter came to a head later as I felt i could no longer be there let alone serve in any capacity.

  We moved to Phx. Az. and have been free of this evil, cult. ever since.
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  Hidden Spaces

  by mann377 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well my son (he's pimi) came to me the other day and asked if i could make a bookcase with hidden spaces built into it.

  i asked him what for?

  he said that they were encouraged to start thinking of and preparing for persecution and hide literature.

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  silas hobbs

  I remember when I first started studying in the mid 70's and we were advised to hide literature in some way around the house to prepare for the same thing. Just more re-cycled crap manipulation.
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  What would make an Ex-Jw go back to been a full in Baptized JW

  by LOLS in

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  2. experiences

  i was just wondering , why would my jw husband return to been a full blown baptized jw after 20 years of fading?.

  he has spent 20 years of his life been a worldly person , with a worldly wife & kids & worldly friends .... to joining the borg full time , to getting baptized , to getting new brothers & sisters .... and to writing off most of his worldly friends (some his known his whole life ) , to trying to convince me & our children how wonderful this org is ......and anyone else who will listen :(.

  has anyone ever experienced this ...... oh and he seems to be in it 110% and no-one can say anything about this crazy org or show him proof that it all bs...... his such a clever independent , successful guy , why on earth would he go back to this , after been out for so many years & change into this domineering , opinionated fool ..... oh and his entire family also went back ... father , mother , brother & sister .

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  silas hobbs

  How true. its a failure to de-program oneself while out. He probably never felt the need to really see the Org. for what is is,,just another quirky religion at best and a harmful cult at its worst,

  I remember one Assy. experience of a couple who returned to the Org. saying that they always knew it still was the truth before they returned,,sounds like he had the same problem.Or it could be he has never been treated badly while in and succumed to intense" Love Bombing" when returning. I know it feels good to be the subject of such attention but that does not make it any less of a cult.While I was in the process of decoupling from the Org. I listened to a radio show while driving called Dr. Joy Brown she was a Psychologist and a good one but one of the things she said was that change rarely occurs unless people are forced too by events which make their current status in life too uncomfortable to continue as it is and only then do they change. It sounded like what I was experiencing.Who knows.
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  Suicides

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  i have been on the phone the last to two weeks calling people i've known over the last forty years most of who are still jehovah's witnesses.

  some of these people who didn't know i was "out" talked to me and some who knew i was "out" still talked to me.

  some of the those people are even elders.. by book new boy will be dedicated to all the people who have killed themselves because of being a jehovah's witness or knowing others who were jehovah's witnesses.

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  silas hobbs

  Having just finished reading James Pentons "Apocalypse Delayed" 3rd. edition, He did not seem to have any problem naming names both in good standing and otherwise..

  I did appreciate his controlled,scholarly approach but there were places in the book you feel his anger almost smoking hot

  I feel and understand your anger,,mine runs deep. Just .an example of what fuels mine is when my beloved grandaughter was molested by her jw step father , he used the excuse that the 11 year old came on to him .Were the elders outraged at such an excuse? far from it ,one accused her of being a Dinah influence on the ex.

  I could do some pretty bad things to those frauds,, I certainly think bad things and at times get pretty riled up.

  I know some of those names ,those from Seattle and am glad to see that their blinders are slipping.

  Hope you have success ,minimize the colateral damage.